If I had to describe 3 things about New Yorkers, I’d say:
1) they hate tourists
2) they hate every other city on the planet
3) THEY ALL look good.
Maybe it’s just because I’m from the Midwest. But to me, everybody in NYC looks like they go to the gym.
I had tried a bunch of times to gain weight previously, but to no avail. Being around all these jacked guys made me want to give it another shot.
But I needed to try something different. So last summer, I hired a personal trainer in NYC.
And I was super happy with the results. So happy that I was thinking about maybe getting another trainer in my hometown after I went back.
I told my NYC trainer about this. He asked, “Are they professionally certified in strength training and nutrition?”
I had no idea.
How many people do you know who say “I want to get ripped. I need advice from someone who has certifications in nutrition and strength training!”
The only people who say that are the people who have those fancy credentials.
The buyers don’t care!
They just find the most ripped person they know, and ask THEM what to do.
Years ago, I was interviewing for an internship at a startup. I had a good resume, and the people at the company knew I went to a good school. I thought I had the offer in the bag.
But I never heard back from them.
I found out later that they hired some guy from a random community college in a city I’d never heard of. He didn’t have as much related experience either.
How’s that possible?
It turns out that people applying for a job care more about their own credentials than the people who are hiring them.
This is very counterintuitive.
Average applicants obsess over getting the right credentials and being “qualified” on paper. Meanwhile behind the scenes, companies are playing a totally different game.
They’re obsessing over finding the right person to solve their problems.
Here’s what goes on behind closed doors
Credentials and paper qualifications DO matter for some (mainly academic) industries like medicine or law, but for most other fields, job requirements are surprisingly negotiable.
Companies can sometimes get over a hundred applications for a single position, so they need to have some way of weeding people out to keep that number manageable. The best way of doing that is by saying “graduate degree required”, “5+ years of experience required”, etc.
What they’re REALLY thinking is “we don’t want to go through a bunch of applications of people who don’t know what they’re doing — a person with 5+ years of experience could most likely do a good job”.
If you can prove to them that you can solve their problem, you instantly decommoditize yourself, and none of those things on paper matter as much.
This is exactly how I’ve gotten interviews and job offers for positions that require masters degrees, MBAs, degrees in subjects I’ve never studied, and more years of experience than I have.
So how do you prove to them that you can solve their problem?
Do the job before you get the job.
I call this the “pre-interview project”.
For example, if you’re applying for a sales/marketing role, a good pre-interview project could be selling some of the company’s products and writing a document about it. If you’re applying for a design related role, you can mockup some new designs for the company and tell them why you made those decisions.
Today, I’m going to show you exactly how to choose the perfect pre-interview project (including real life examples), who to send it to within the company you’re applying to, and how to structure the email so that it’s well received (I’ll even give you sample email templates to use).
Let’s get started.
Step 1: Narrow in on a few existing jobs
This process is not as quick as sending your resume out a bunch of times, but it is more effective.
While everyone else is spamming their resume to a hundred companies just to get a few interviews (if any), you’ll pick just a handful of jobs to apply to and crush them all.
First, go on some job boards, and choose 3–5 jobs you’d like to have.
Here are some good rules to keep in mind when you’re looking at the requirements on job descriptions:
- It’s OK if you’re a few years below the minimum experience level, but not TOO far below. If you’re just a college grad, don’t go for senior level jobs that require 7–10+ years of experience. But you CAN go for jobs that require, say, 3–5 years of experience even if you only have 1.
- It’s OK if your education level is a little below the required amount, but again, not too much below. For example — even though I never went to grad school, I’ve been able to get interviews for internships that required an MBA, and full time jobs that required a masters, but jobs that require PhDs are out of my league.
- Make sure that you can actually DO the job. You might not need credentials, but you do need the skills to get results.
Once you have your 3–5 jobs, move on to step 2.
Step 2: Outline what you’ll be doing on the job
By getting a good understanding of what you’ll be doing everyday on the job, you’ll know exactly what the perfect pre-interview project should be to prove that you’d be the right fit.
The only thing you really need at hand to figure this out is the job description.
Make a special note of the day to day tasks you can do right away. For example, “analyzing churn data” isn’t something you can immediately do (because you need a good amount of internal information for that) but “form partnerships with local businesses” definitely is something you can help do without already being at the company.
Step 3: Do one pre-interview project per company
Now that you know what the company expects you to do day to day, you can actually do it ahead of time and prove to them that you can solve their problems.
When I was applying for a business development role for Kiip, I pitched a few companies on forming partnerships with them, and introduced them to the biz dev team. I ended up getting an offer.
When I was applying for product development related positions, I ran quick usability tests on companies’ products, documented my process, created some design suggestions and sent it to the head of each design team. Here’s an example of what I did for Airbnb.
This sort of thing got me interviews at major tech companies like Quora, and it even led to Shutterstock creating a position for specifically for me.
My friend Francine Lee did something similar (but MUCH more in depth) for Dropbox, and then got a job there.
David Rogier wanted a product management position at Evernote, so he interviewed 23 customers and wrote 10 slides about how he could improve the product and sent it to the CEO — the CEO emailed him back in 30 minutes and asked him to come in.
Doing a pre-interview project makes you stand out because the secret sauce is hard work. So most people will never do it.
Step 4: Send your project in
Next, you want to find the right person within the company to send your project to so that it actually gets noticed.
If you’re applying to a smaller company, this is pretty straightforward — you can send it to the head of the department you’re interviewing for, or even the CEO. Most people have a personal page online you can reach out through — if not, you can easily guess their work email (it’s usually [email protected] or something like that).
Here’s a sample email template you can use:
Hi [name],
I’m [your name] and I noticed you’re hiring a [position], and I’m interested. I thought it would be helpful for me to [insert a good description of your pre-interview project] to both show my interest and the value I could bring to [the company].
[Present the project here — if you just did a writeup (i.e. a design suggestion) then a link or image would do. If you pitched businesses for partnerships, ask if the person you’re emailing would like to be introduced, etc]
Quick background on me: [insert a quick 2–3 sentence summary of your background as it relates to this job]
Thanks so much for your time — hope to hear from you regarding next steps!
Best,
[your name]
If it’s a big company (like Microsoft, Amazon, etc), it gets a bit trickier because not everyone in the same department will know each other (so your doc might not get shared with the right person). In cases like this, I’d suggest waiting until you get an interview, then do your project, and send it to all your interviewers before the interview date. Here’s a sample email script you can use for this situation:
Hi [name],
[Employee name] mentioned that I’d be chatting with you on [date] as part of my interview for the [position] at [the company]
[Present the project here (insert link, ask if they’d like to be introduced to a potential partner, etc) ]
Just thought I’d sent it over now in case you’d like to chat about it during the interview (if you think it would be appropriate, of course).
Best,
[your name]
Every time I’ve done this, my interviews have gone SUPER smoothly and I usually end up getting an offer.
“But this won’t work in my field. MY field is different!”
No. It’s not.
It’s just human behavior. People want their problems solved, and they’re much more likely to hire someone who’s already working on solving them than someone who MIGHT solve them.
Try it. It works. And if you are proactive, do a project specifically for a company, and they STILL don’t respond, what does that say about their culture? Then you know that company is not the one you want to work for.
It’s a win-win.
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Rebecca says
Thank you for your sharing. These advise are useful.
Roxana says
Hi,
Thanks for posting this! Your info is very helpful as I am searching for another job! So Thanks !
Varun Sharma says
Straight from the Black Hole… AWESOME. Thanks Raghav!! for writing it.
Shahbaaz says
Hey Raghav,
I’m a recent graduate, and my experience with job hunting aligns exactly with everything you say!
Your article motivated me to start my very own pre-interview project,
I have some concerns though, because rather than applying to conventional jobs I’m applying to management trainee programmes which don’t always come with a detailed job descriptions.., do you have any tips I could use to help aid my project?
Loving your blog 🙂
Regards
Shahbaaz
raghav says
If there’s no job description, you could chat with someone in that job (ideally working at the company you’re applying to) to get a better understanding of the role and projects you’d be working on. I cover this exhaustive detail in my course http://landanyjobyouwant.com/premium-courses/
Teddy says
Thanks for the post, it was really insightful.
Do you have any suggestions for how the Pre-interview Project can work when applying to a company, like a product design consultancy, that handles a multitude of projects, since each project they work on would be different from the last.
Would my best bet in this case be to reevaluate their past work, to find areas of improvement?
Thanks again.
raghav says
Yup, sounds like a good idea!
Brian says
I really liked your post on landing jobs when you are ‘under-qualified.’ What advice to you have for those who are ‘over-qualified’ — a more frequent problem for older workers or who are both under and over qualified — a problem faced by those trying to transition from one career field to another? Do you think this same approach would work for them?
raghav says
Sure. The basic idea is to be proactive and make an impression on the person hiring you - this won’t change depending on age, industry, etc.
Will Nair says
Great article! I want to get a position within Digital Marketing. Any ideas on “pre-interview projects” for a community manager position?
Awesome blog btw, thanks!
raghav says
Based on what a community manager does day to day, what are 2-3 ways to prove that you can do the job in advance? You start us off, I’m happy to give feedback.
Eva says
This is a great idea, but how can it be applied for a Software Developer? I do not have access to the codebase, so am not sure how I can contribute. Thanks!
raghav says
Check out “step 2” here: https://medium.com/life-learning/how-to-get-your-job-application-noticed-every-time-58e3030d42e5#.6ztmqi8bh
Elizabeth says
Hi Raghav,
I just discovered your site after reading your article “Career Advice No One Tells You” on LinkedIn. I also signed up for your newsletter 🙂
You present some good tips and I like the idea of presenting a pre-interview project, but I have a question : My job/career fields are elementary english tutoring and counselling/community work in social services. What kind of pre-interview project could I do for those fields?
Thanks a lot!
raghav says
Remember that it doesn’t have to be recreating the job on your own - you could talk to the people who work there already, figure out some challenges they have as it relates to your role, and come up with ideas on how you could make it better.
There’s no “wrong” way to do it. It’s just about being proactive and showing that you can add value.
Giri says
Good ideas Raghav! It all boils down to how you can demonstrate value and quickly! One CEO coined it as Be Essential.
I will now implement your smart ideas. I’ll keep you posted on results.
Cheers
Giri
raghav says
Great! 🙂
Lisa Payakovich says
Dear Raghav,
Love this article but I just have a question regarding the ‘pre-interview project’ and that is - what type of project do you suggest for folks applying for administrative assistant or executive assistant positions? Thanks so much, Lisa
Chat_Pat says
For “Do the job before you get the job”, what if the job postings are engineering related?
Also, is there any advice on jumping industries for an engineer?
raghav says
The main point I was trying to get across when I say “do the job before you get the job” is figure out a way to show that you can add value to the company before you get there. Maybe that means prototyping something. Maybe that means just coming up with a list of ideas of stuff you could help with based on the challenges they’re having or the projects they’re working on (which you can find out by talking to someone at the company). Maybe that means coming up with a 30 day plan of what you’d do when you get the job. Maybe it means getting creative in a different way.
The point is not to necessarily do a perfect project, but to make an impression by being generous.
Happy to help re: jumping industries, but can you be more specific? What exactly are you concerned about?
Jerry Ihejirika says
Your career advice are great. Thanks for sharing.